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@Worldwide
Yes, I agree 1000%!!!!
You understand how the world really works...
That being said, how would we realistically stop ISIS?
Well, the short term easy answer would be to bomb the whole area back to the stone age. But of course, that would create about a thousand enemies for every one we killed. (Pretty much what we are doing with Obama's drone program).
Or we could do it the smart way. We could understand that to young men who have nothing, the only visible way they can see to money, women and power...is at the point of a gun. And proceed from there...
Well first, I want to point out that NO plan will have a 100% success rate. Nothing we can do will ever guarantee that there will never be another terrorist.
But can we make it better? I believe the answer is yes. And I would ask that think about it differently...
I firmly believe that the solution to ISIS (and even the broader War On Terror) does not even have to address religious extremism/radical Islam. And we do not need to extinguish an idea (as if we even could). These things are out of our control, but we can offer alternatives to them. However, there is something we need to do first...
It is a question of tactics. Our tactics are incorrect, and have been so since 9/11.
Think of it like a pie chart, representing the population of Earth. You have one very tiny slice (less than 1%) representing the "Terrorists". The second slice is a bit larger, but still pretty small (just to make the visual math easy, let's say 5%), representing the Terrorist's support system. These are the folks who harbor terrorists, or support terrorism financially, etc. etc. etc.. Then you have the largest slice of the pie, which is the rest of us.
Ok, now using that pie chart, let's think about this. That thin slice of the pie should be shrinking. As the terrorists blow themselves up, or as we kill them, there should be less terrorists, right? But the opposite is true. That slice of the pie is expanding, isn't it? Isn't ISIS an example of just that?
Where are the new recruits coming from? The support system, right? The people that are already predisposed to support terrorism. And while I cannot prove it, I suspect that slice of the pie is expanding as well.
How is this happening? I submit to you, it is our tactics. We are making things worse.
As an example, we use a drone to blow up a wedding party of 50 people, to kill one terrorist (This actually happened, by the way). Now, imagine this...
Let's say for every one of those 49 other people (non-terrorists), that 10 friends and relatives come over and sift through the rubble to try and identify bits and pieces of their loved ones. Now then, out of those 490 other people, if just 2 of them decide to become terrorists, and just 10 more of them become part of that support system...
Well, you get the idea. It is the legend of the Hydra, brought forward into modern times and made real.
And it is not just the drones, it is ALL of our tactics.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, you name it, we made it worse.
Anybody ever heard of ISIS before we tried to topple Assad?
First we change the tactics, then we offer the alternatives. We need to shrink that support system, attrition will take care of the terrorists...
^ ^ ^Well first, I want to point out that NO plan will have a 100% success rate. Nothing we can do will ever guarantee that there will never be another terrorist.
But can we make it better? I believe the answer is yes. And I would ask that think about it differently...
I firmly believe that the solution to ISIS (and even the broader War On Terror) does not even have to address religious extremism/radical Islam. And we do not need to extinguish an idea (as if we even could). These things are out of our control, but we can offer alternatives to them. However, there is something we need to do first...
It is a question of tactics. Our tactics are incorrect, and have been so since 9/11.
Think of it like a pie chart, representing the population of Earth. You have one very tiny slice (less than 1%) representing the "Terrorists". The second slice is a bit larger, but still pretty small (just to make the visual math easy, let's say 5%), representing the Terrorist's support system. These are the folks who harbor terrorists, or support terrorism financially, etc. etc. etc.. Then you have the largest slice of the pie, which is the rest of us.
Ok, now using that pie chart, let's think about this. That thin slice of the pie should be shrinking. As the terrorists blow themselves up, or as we kill them, there should be less terrorists, right? But the opposite is true. That slice of the pie is expanding, isn't it? Isn't ISIS an example of just that?
Where are the new recruits coming from? The support system, right? The people that are already predisposed to support terrorism. And while I cannot prove it, I suspect that slice of the pie is expanding as well.
How is this happening? I submit to you, it is our tactics. We are making things worse.
As an example, we use a drone to blow up a wedding party of 50 people, to kill one terrorist (This actually happened, by the way). Now, imagine this...
Let's say for every one of those 49 other people (non-terrorists), that 10 friends and relatives come over and sift through the rubble to try and identify bits and pieces of their loved ones. Now then, out of those 490 other people, if just 2 of them decide to become terrorists, and just 10 more of them become part of that support system...
Well, you get the idea. It is the legend of the Hydra, brought forward into modern times and made real.
And it is not just the drones, it is ALL of our tactics.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, you name it, we made it worse.
Anybody ever heard of ISIS before we tried to topple Assad?
First we change the tactics, then we offer the alternatives. We need to shrink that support system, attrition will take care of the terrorists...
If you were in the intel community or had a decent knowledge of the region's players, you most certainly would...indeed, there's an ancedote about how both U.S. and Iraqi intelligence agents, for months prior to the Iraq War, were monitoring....you guessed it: Ansar al-Islam. That's right....both Dubya & Saddam were monitoring the same group; Saddam because, like most strongmen, he was worried about the threat - if any - to his power; we were watching them because of known links btwn them and Al Qaeda.@Webster
Yes, that is the accepted narrative for the origins of ISIS.
Point I want to make to the group, is that ISIS appeared to be no problem at all, until we destabilized Syria, heck, we had not even heard of them.
Same-same for AQI...Ever hear of them before we invaded Iraq? Were they any problem, before then?
And don't even get me started about the so called "Khorasan Group"!![]()
@Webster
Yes, that is the accepted narrative for the origins of ISIS.
Point I want to make to the group, is that ISIS appeared to be no problem at all, until we destabilized Syria, heck, we had not even heard of them.
Same-same for AQI...Ever hear of them before we invaded Iraq? Were they any problem, before then?
And don't even get me started about the so called "Khorasan Group"!![]()
‘Infidels are our enemy’: Afghan fighters cherish old American schoolbooks
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/7/afghan-fighters-americantextbooks.html
Promoting violence — in the form of jihad against the Soviet invaders and their local proxies — was the goal of the U.S.-funded education effort in the 1980s and early ’90s. Textbooks such as “The Alphabet of Jihad Literacy,” funded by the U.S. and published by the University of Nebraska at Omaha, came out at a time when the CIA was channeling hundreds of millions of dollars to mujahedeen fighters to resist the Soviet occupation.
USAID funded textbooks for distribution at refugee camps in Pakistan, with content written by mujahedeen groups with the support of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency and the CIA.
Burde said the rationale of this indoctrination in the ideas of warfare as religious duty rested on the assumption of the “importance of starting early.” While the U.S. program ended with the collapse of Afghanistan’s communist government, its textbooks have spawned dozens of copies and revised editions, she said.
She managed to find several old copies of the Pashto-language books and a 2011 edition on sale in the Pakistani city of Peshawar as recently as last year. The Taliban, she said, continues to recommend these books for children.
The majority of the book’s 41 lessons glorify violence in the name of religion. “My uncle has a gun,” reads the entry for the letter T, using the Pashto word for “gun,” “topak.” “He does jihad with the gun.”
More:30 July
A hardline Muslim preacher suspected of radicalising three British jihadis told teenage disciples that it is ‘permissible’ under Islam to have sex slaves.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...llarys-arming-jihadists-including-isis-syria/Julian Assange: So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates. So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention in Libya, the destruction of the Gaddafi government, which led to the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that’s there in those emails. There’s more than 1,700 emails in Hillary Clinton’s collection, that we have released, just about Libya alone.
And in the next breath, can we arrest Mr. Assange as well, Doc?You might start "stopping ISIS" by arresting Mrs. Clinton:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...llarys-arming-jihadists-including-isis-syria/
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